In this episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast, host Andrew Lewin gets inspired by a podcast where a celebrity radio and podcast personality talks about his career. The celebrity emphasizes the importance of building a diversified portfolio of businesses and podcast networks, even if ownership is not in everything. Andrew reflects on how science communicators in the marine science and conservation field often expect instant success but highlights the importance of patience and continuous effort. He encourages listeners to keep publishing and getting their message across, regardless of occasional setbacks. Tune in to hear Andrew's thoughts on the podcast that sparked this inspiration.