Working together in a professional environment is easier said than done, especially when teams have conflicting workflows, priorities, and skill sets. Designers are all too familiar with having their work feel like a second priority to developers. Is there a way that designers and developers can collaborate successfully without sacrificing their individual needs? Enter Penpot, the first Open Source design and prototyping platform for cross-domain teams. Penpot was developed by Pablo Ruiz-Múzquiz, CEO and Co-Founder of Kaleidos, Taiga and Penpot, to bring collaboration between designers and developers to the next level. Penpot inspires designers to become comfortable using open source and allows developers to become excited about the design process.  In this episode, Pablo talks to Chuck and Robbie about how Penpot differs from its primary competitor, Figma, and why designers and developers love their platform. Key Takeaways [00:36] - An intro to Pablo Ruiz-Múzquiz. [02:38] - A whiskey review - Willet Family Estate Bottled Rye. [05:31] - Chuck, Robbie, and Pablo’s whiskey ranking. [07:47] - What Penpot is and how it compares to Figma. [15:50] - Adobe’s defensive acquisition of Figma.  [24:54] - Why Pablo is excited about Penpot. [29:37] - How Penpot brings together designers and developers. [34:30] - Two top priority feature requests for Penpot. [39:23] - Use cases for Penpot. [44:31] - Why Pablo got expelled. [48:34] - Pablo’s diverse hobbies - from mead brewing to archery. Quotes [26:27] - “We don’t just want to accelerate design into code, but also coding to design.” ~ Pablo Ruiz-Múzquiz [31:18] - “First, we need to make sure that designers really appreciate what we’re doing. Whenever they first encounter Penpot, they see it, they feel it. It’s meant for them. Not as a gift from engineers.” ~ Pablo Ruiz-Múzquiz [36:54] - “Design is more important than ever. Design is eating software faster than software is eating the world. Software is a key differentiator, a key element in the critical palette of innovation. Design is key, and yet it remains outside the software building pipeline.” ~ Pablo Ruiz-Múzquiz Links Pablo Ruiz-Múzquiz on LinkedIn Pablo Ruiz-Múzquiz on Twitter Pablo Ruiz-Múzquiz's website Willet Family Estate Bottled Rye Kaleidos Penpot Taiga Figma Adobe Universidad Complutense de Madrid The Lord of the Rings Trilogy The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power The Hobbit Film Series Twitter Elon Musk on Twitter Connect with our hosts Robbie Wagner Chuck Carpenter Ship Shape Subscribe and stay in touch Apple Podcasts Spotify Google Podcasts Whiskey Web and Whatnot Top-Tier, Full-Stack Software Consultants This show is brought to you by Ship Shape. Ship Shape’s software consultants solve complex software and app development problems with top-tier coding expertise, superior service, and speed. In a sea of choices, our senior-level development crew rises above the rest by delivering the best solutions for fintech, cybersecurity, and other fast-growing industries. Check us out at shipshape.io.