Brian Koppelman, along with his creative partner David Levien, is the creator of the Showtime series Billions and writer of the film Ocean's Thirteen. Brian also hosts Mike's favorite podcast, The Moment, which you can check out here: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-moment-with-brian-koppelman/id814550071?mt=2 Today's conversation focuses on the need for meaningful work and meaningful living. Cultivated is a production of Harbor Media and The Narrativo Group Produced by Mike Cosper Edited by TJ Hester Mixed by Mark Owens Music by Dan Phelps and Roman Candle Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices