This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus episode, you can hear the episode in its entirety by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Joseph Kelly is a cult interventionist and recipient of the lifetime achievement award from the International Cultic Studies Association(ICSA) Along with Pat Ryan, He is the co-founder of Intervention 101, where he has worked as a thought reform consultant and exit counselor since 1989. He spent 14 years in two different eastern meditation groups; Transcendental Meditation and The International Society of Divine Love. Joseph is a co-author of “Ethical Standards for Thought Reform Consultants,” published in ICSA’s Cultic Studies Journal, Mr. Kelly has also facilitated ICSA workshops for ex-members and families and has lectured extensively on cult-related topics. Joseph returns to the show to share some of his insights after 30 years of cult intervention work, explaining how his approach includes close consultation with qualified mental health professionals including Rachel. Joseph offers wise advice to those looking to help a loved one caught up in systems of control. Find more about Joseph's work here: www.intervention101.com Thanks so much to our Patrons for making this episode possible!