This is just a preview of our exclusive Patreon bonus episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a supporter at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Janja Lalich, Ph.D. is a researcher, author, and educator specializing in cults and extremist groups, with a particular focus on charismatic relationships, political and other social movements, ideology and social control, and issues of gender and sexuality. She has been a consultant to educational, mental health, business, media, and legal professionals, as well as having worked with current members, former members, and families of members of controversial groups. In this deeply informative conversation between two longtime colleagues, Janja describes her new foundation, The Lalich Center on Cults and Coercion: A collaborative approach to cult information and recovery led by specialized professionals, and trained cult survivors. Together Rachel and Janja survey the current landscape of cult education and recovery offering insights from their years of experience. More info on Janja here: https://janjalalich.com/ More info on Lalich Center here: https://lalichcenter.org/ Thanks to our Patreon supporters for making this episode possible!