Joe Biden is defying calls to drop out of the U.S. presidential race, after his performance in last week's televised CNN debate. We discuss the fallout with Stewart Prest, lecturer in political science at UBC, and our audience weighs in on the debate. Then, pregnancy and the birth of a child is usually a source of excitement and joy. But for some, it can end in heartbreak and loss. We discuss the grief of pregnancy and infant loss with our guests Kimberly Lockhart, Butterfly Run BC Founder & Executive, and Fertility coach Laura Spencer and hear from our audience on this seldom discussed topic.