Apple CEO Tim Cook talks with Recode's Kara Swisher and MSNBC's Chris Hayes in this live interview that originally aired in April 2018. This conversation was broadcast on MSNBC for the TV show Revolution and also features educators from Chicago-area schools, with whom Apple was partnering to get its devices into more classrooms. Swisher, Hayes, and Cook discuss Apple’s education initiatives, the displacement of jobs by technology and automation, Apple's international taxes, and whether the Trump administration's anti-immigration stance was making it harder to recruit top talent. Plus: Cook discusses the "human right" of privacy and why Apple would never wind up in the same position as Facebook did in 2016. Featuring: Tim Cook (@tim_cook), CEO, Apple Hosts: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-large More to explore: On Reset, Arielle Duhaime-Ross explores why — and how — tech is changing everything. On Recode Media, Peter Kafka interviews business titans, journalists, comedians and podcasters about the collision of tech and media. On Pivot, Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway talk about the big tech news stories of the week, who's winning, who's failing, and what comes next. And on Season 1 of Land of the Giants, Jason Del Rey chronicled the rise of Amazon — and now, on Season 2, Peter Kafka and Rani Molla are examining "the Netflix effect." About Recode by Vox: Recode by Vox helps you understand how tech is changing the world — and changing us. Follow Us: Newsletter: Recode Daily Twitter: @Recode and @voxdotcom Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices