Journalist and Winners Take All author Anand Giridharadas talks with Recode's Kara Swisher in these excerpts from two of our favorite episodes, originally published in October 2018 and May 2019. They discuss the growing culture of inequality in the tech industry and around the world, how elites use philanthropy as a shield for the damage they have inflicted on others, and what the ultra-rich should do instead of acting as de facto political leaders. Plus: What the government should do to rein them in, and the unintended legacy of Donald Trump. Featuring: Anand Giridharadas (@AnandWrites), author, Winners Take All: The Elite Charade of Changing the World Hosts: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-large More to explore: On Reset, Arielle Duhaime-Ross explores why — and how — tech is changing everything. On Recode Media, Peter Kafka interviews business titans, journalists, comedians and podcasters about the collision of tech and media. On Pivot, Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway talk about the big tech news stories of the week, who's winning, who's failing, and what comes next. And on Season 1 of Land of the Giants, Jason Del Rey chronicled the rise of Amazon — and now, on Season 2, Peter Kafka and Rani Molla are examining "the Netflix effect." About Recode by Vox: Recode by Vox helps you understand how tech is changing the world — and changing us. Follow Us: Newsletter: Recode Daily Twitter: @Recode and @voxdotcom Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices