In this special interview, TAL's Ryan Collins talks with scholar, activist and artist Jason de Leon about the ongoing humanitarian crisis at the US-Mexico border. In addition to these roles, de Leon is a MacArthur Fellow and National Geographic Explorer. He uses his platforms to create public dialogue, exhibitions, and media about undocumented migration, the human costs of the US immigration policy known as 'deterrence through force.' This very human conversation reveals the emotional toll, and sometimes trauma, that comes with precarious work on the border with undocumented migrants, smugglers, shady legality and deadly terrain as well as deep questions and reflections about privilege, position, and power. Full Transcript of the episode hereCheckout some of Jason's projectshttp://www.hostileterrain94.com/http://undocumentedmigrationproject.com/MacArthur Fellow VideoEpisode 127--- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thisanthrolife/message