Steve Joordens is a Professor of Psychology at the University of Toronto. He's also the Director of the Advanced Learning Technologies Lab at U of T where he researches the application of research findings to real life learning interventions. Steve joins Mike in a free-flowing conversation about the challenges and opportunities with online learning in these very confusing times. Steve shares his perspectives on how best to navigate the rapid shift to online and recommends we look to experts in learning science and digital instruction to help navigate the massive shifts we're experiencing. We talk feedback, scaling online solutions, and emphasize the importance of developing social emotional and interpersonal skills to train students to be ready to land their first jobs.