Every 28 years or so, the constellational tapestry of the cosmos recurs, forcing us to confront how far we've come, how we've changed, and what's gotta go. For this special episode, mad-talented multihyphenates Amanda Shechtman and Ryan Amador join David to talk about their Saturn Return sagas. How have they evolved as artists? What fears are they confronting? What happens next? This is an episode unlike any to come before, so brace yourselves! You can follow Amanda @amandashark and Ryan @ryanamador. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to share it, rate it on Apple, and subscribe. You can follow David @goldberghawn and at davidgoldberg.online for updates. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices