Brady Bender and Pete Davis interview public policy leader Heather McGhee. McGhee is a leading figure in a new generation of progressive changemakers, a fresh face on television and in the op-ed section, and the President of Demos, a public policy organization working for an America where we all have an equal say in our democracy and an equal chance in our economy. She joined All Rise! this past Spring to discuss theater, American studies, the role of leaders in the progressive movement, the ability to make change over time, and hope for the democracy movement in the Trump era.