Every aspect of the state’s health and human service infrastructure has taken a beating during the COVID-19 pandemic. And that means hopes are extremely high for two vaccines getting closer to FDA approval. On today's episode, we'll look at Michigan's role in the development and production of those vaccines. Plus, a conversation about what state health officials are doing to try to get skyrocketing COVID numbers under control. GUESTS: Karen Bouffard is a health reporter for the Detroit News. You can find her latest reporting on potential COVID-19 vaccines here. Robert Gordon is director of the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. He’s also co-leader of a team working with president-elect Joe Biden's administration on transition plans for the federal Department of Health and Human Services. Looking for the full Stateside show? Right this way. We’d love to know what you think of the new sound of our podcast. Send your feedback and suggestions to stateside@michiganradio.org. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.