The definition of a refugee - and how we think about the entire refugee system - needs to be changed, says Alex Aleinikoff, who was UN Deputy High Commissioner for Refugees from 2010-15. He talks to Ravi and Grant about why the definition matters, what it needs to expand to include, and how to build a humanitarian system that responds to the needs of the day. As the nature of conflict and displacement has changed, Alex brings a historical perspective to the discussion. They dive into the challenging and important issue of 'burden-sharing': how do we decide who takes on the responsibility for helping refugees? Enjoy their discussion and also check out Alex’s upcoming book, “The Arc of Protection: Towards a New International Refugee Regime. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices