In Part 2 of Rachel's conversation with Dan Shaw, Dan moves on from his harrowing personal story to explaining his methodology for helping victims of narcissists and controllers, and how it has changed and evolved over the years. He also talks about how hard it was to leave the Ashram after 13 years. The two dive into how people can get attached to their abusers and often do everything in their power to avoid leaving them. A token narcissist refuses to be held accountable for anything. Ever.