Alister Jack, Secretary of State for Scotland, joins Christopher Hope to talk Scottish independence, and why now’s no time to consider a referendum. Instead, it’s time to work with the SNP, he tells listeners, in between puns for which we can only apologise.

Plus, Professor Corinne Fowler, the academic behind the controversial National Trust review into its properties' links to slavery, tells us why exploring difficult elements of Britain's past isn't unpatriotic.

Read 'National Trust history review 'is about facts, not patriotism', says top academic': https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/07/national-trust-history-review-facts-not-patriotism-says-top/ |

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