This week on The Vergecast, Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller go deep on Apple's updated operating systems: macOS Catalina and iPadOS.  Also, Sony confirms their next console will be the PS5 in 2020.  Stories this week: Apple’s macOS Catalina update is coming todayCatalina ReviewPhotoshop and Lightroom users should wait before updating to macOS CatalinaNetflix confirms it won’t port its iPad app to macOSYou need a MacBook with a butterfly keyboard or a modern Mac desktop to use macOS Catalina’s SidecarWhy I’m turning off auto-updatesApple starts selling Microsoft’s Xbox controller after adding support in iOS, macOS, and tvOSiPadOS review: it’s complicated, finallyLinksys' mesh routers can now detect motion using Wi-FiApple’s Siri can now play music through SpotifyiOS 13 has gotten better, but there’s still a long way to go Apple iPad (2019) review: no competitionSony confirms next console is called PlayStation 5 and coming holiday 2020The next console war is going to be way more fun than the last oneSamsung made the smartwatch Google couldn’t Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices