It’s not often that a blog post sets the internet on fire. But a recent post by Cory Brown about async/await led to an uproar and even messages of pity from Hacker News. Who knew a simple post about pattern preferences would cause such controversy?  Today, Cory’s here to explain his side of the story for those happily using async/await in various concurrency patterns. Luckily, Cory believes, to each their own, and even welcomes responses from developers like Eric Elliott and Robbie as important food for thought. So which universe do you prefer? Object-oriented or functional? In this episode, Cory talks with Chuck and Robbie about why he prefers promise to async/await, his response to Robbie’s weekly rant on classes, what really makes an engineer “senior”, how every tech team should operate, and why Cory recently chose to learn Scottish Gaelic. Key Takeaways [00:40] - A brief introduction to Cory. [01:19] - A whiskey review. [08:39] - Cory’s controversial opinion on async/await patterns. [18:56] - How Cory views classes and his defense of Hooks. [29:54] - Why time matters with engineer seniority. [42:00] - A Dr. Pepper and obscure language-themed whatnot.  Quotes [26:27] - “I’ve already seen ideas from the object-oriented world come in and benefit the functional world. And vice versa — the functional world come in and really benefit the object-oriented world. So I don't want to see either of them go away even as I choose to essentially wholly live on one side.” ~ Cory Brown [37:10] - “If you have any hope of going to whatever your next job is and entering a codebase that is at all reasonable, then we need to start training our junior engineers. And unfortunately, businesses are not investing in that for whatever reason so it’s on us to do that.” ~ Cory Brown [40:24] - “A large chunk of the last several years of my career has been a diminished focus on producing stuff directly and more in enabling others to produce more quickly.” ~ Cory Brown Links Cory Brown on Twitter Cory’s website Aumni National Geographic  Spiritless Kentucky 74 Eric Elliott Why I avoid async/await  JavaScript Promise Async/await Hacker News YAML  Douglas Crockford Yehuda Katz Ember.js React Preact Stencil.js Hooks Clojure The Coming Storm (Cory’s post about emerging software developers)  Backstage Dr. Pepper Costco Duolingo  Cory Brown speaking Galic (00:52) UtahJS Conference Kent C. Dodds  Remix React Router Next.js  Elm RedwoodJS Whiskey Web and Whatnot: RedwoodJS, Developer Experience, and Developing for Scale with Tom Preston-Werner Rails Apple LinkedIn 1787 Middleburg Coworking Space Hot Ones Connect with our hosts Robbie Wagner Chuck Carpenter Ship Shape Subscribe and stay in touch Apple Podcasts Spotify Google Podcasts Whiskey Web and Whatnot Top-Tier, Full-Stack Software Consultants This show is brought to you by Ship Shape. Ship Shape’s software consultants solve complex software and app development problems with top-tier coding expertise, superior service, and speed. In a sea of choices, our senior-level development crew rises above the rest by delivering the best solutions for fintech, cybersecurity, and other fast-growing industries. Check us out at shipshape.io.

It’s not often that a blog post sets the internet on fire. But a recent post by Cory Brown about async/await led to an uproar and even messages of pity from Hacker News. Who knew a simple post about pattern preferences would cause such controversy?  Today, Cory’s here to explain his side of the story for those happily using async/await in various concurrency patterns. Luckily, Cory believes, to each their own, and even welcomes responses from developers like Eric Elliott and Robbie as important food for thought. So which universe do you prefer? Object-oriented or functional? In this episode, Cory talks with Chuck and Robbie about why he prefers promise to async/await, his response to Robbie’s weekly rant on classes, what really makes an engineer “senior”, how every tech team should operate, and why Cory recently chose to learn Scottish Gaelic. Key Takeaways [00:40] - A brief introduction to Cory. [01:19] - A whiskey review. [08:39] - Cory’s controversial opinion on async/await patterns. [18:56] - How Cory views classes and his defense of Hooks. [29:54] - Why time matters with engineer seniority. [42:00] - A Dr. Pepper and obscure language-themed whatnot.  Quotes [26:27] - “I’ve already seen ideas from the object-oriented world come in and benefit the functional world. And vice versa — the functional world come in and really benefit the object-oriented world. So I don't want to see either of them go away even as I choose to essentially wholly live on one side.” ~ Cory Brown [37:10] - “If you have any hope of going to whatever your next job is and entering a codebase that is at all reasonable, then we need to start training our junior engineers. And unfortunately, businesses are not investing in that for whatever reason so it’s on us to do that.” ~ Cory Brown [40:24] - “A large chunk of the last several years of my career has been a diminished focus on producing stuff directly and more in enabling others to produce more quickly.” ~ Cory Brown Links Cory Brown on Twitter Cory’s website Aumni National Geographic  Spiritless Kentucky 74 Eric Elliott Why I avoid async/await  JavaScript Promise Async/await Hacker News YAML  Douglas Crockford Yehuda Katz Ember.js React Preact Stencil.js Hooks Clojure The Coming Storm (Cory’s post about emerging software developers)  Backstage Dr. Pepper Costco Duolingo  Cory Brown speaking Galic (00:52) UtahJS Conference Kent C. Dodds  Remix React Router Next.js  Elm RedwoodJS Whiskey Web and Whatnot: RedwoodJS, Developer Experience, and Developing for Scale with Tom Preston-Werner Rails Apple LinkedIn 1787 Middleburg Coworking Space Hot Ones Connect with our hosts Robbie Wagner Chuck Carpenter Ship Shape Subscribe and stay in touch Apple Podcasts Spotify Google Podcasts Whiskey Web and Whatnot Top-Tier, Full-Stack Software Consultants This show is brought to you by Ship Shape. Ship Shape’s software consultants solve complex software and app development problems with top-tier coding expertise, superior service, and speed. In a sea of choices, our senior-level development crew rises above the rest by delivering the best solutions for fintech, cybersecurity, and other fast-growing industries. Check us out at shipshape.io.