Content warning: this episode features mentions of suicide. If you or anyone you know is struggling with thoughts of suicide, please reach out to the National Suicide Prevention Hotline at 800-273-8255.

Dr. Mark Goulston is the co-founder of Michelangelo Mindset. Founders, entrepreneurs, and fortune 500 CEOs hire him when there is a critical or urgent problem they want to deal with or an amazing opportunity they don't want to miss. He coaches them to tap into the way Michelangelo saw his masterpiece sculptures in blocks of marble. He would carve until he set them free. 

Mark is also the author or co-author of nine books, with his book, Just Listen, being translated into 28 languages and becoming the top book about listening in the world. He hosts the highly rated My Wakeup Call podcast, and is a former UCLA professor of psychiatry and FBI hostage negotiation trainer.

Mark considers his greatest personal accomplishment to be graduating from medical school after dropping out on two separate occasions. He didn’t drop out because he changed his mind or he wanted to see the world, but he had untreated and undiagnosed depression that was holding him back. He could not retain all of the information contained in his textbooks, so he quit.

Mark started working blue collar jobs after that first absence, and this ended up having a very calming effect on his mind. But something in him convinced him to go back to medical school again, and the same thing happened: his mind just wasn’t working. One day he was called into the dean’s office and was told that he’d essentially been kicked out. Growing up being taught that you are only worth what you can do in life, this was a severe shock to his system. He thought about ending his life that day, but the dean told him, “Mark, you didn’t mess up, but you are messed up.” He said if he got fixed up, the school would not regret giving him a second chance.

And he did. Mark fixed himself up and returned to medical school a third time, this time graduating, and now he’s focused on paying it forward. In that moment where he almost gave up and his dean gave him a chance, Mark began focusing on suicide prevention and helping others who may have been in his shoes.

What Brett asks:

• [04:36] Can you paint a picture for us about your early years?
• [17:55] What has it been like to fight back against the conditioning that told you to stop being creative?
• [41:36] Why is it so hard to do what we know matters?

To learn more about intentional living, and for the complete show notes, visit: gravityproject.com

Resources:

• markgoulston.com
• michelangelomindset.com
• Listen: My Wakeup Call
• Audio Course: himilaya.com/defeat
• LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/markgoulston
• Watch: TEEN MENTAL HEALTH WEBINAR

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