This was a tough one for Charla and Lauren to chat about. Maybe it’s because so often when we talk about sex and power, black women are seen as peripheral to mainstream stories. That’s why actor, writer and director Numa Perrier wanted to create her movie Jezebel. In this episode, we talk about what happens when a black woman takes power over her own sexuality and how we can feel more free to talk about these two things at the same time.

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