This week Kate and Rana catch up with Francis Awaritefe. A former Socceroo, Francis is now a human rights lawyer and Chair of Professional Footballers Australia. They discuss his anti-racism work, the Matildas’ fight for equal pay, challenging the structures of whiteness, and the problem with “inclusion”.

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