Today we are joined by Dr Rebecca Huntley, one of Australia's foremost researchers on social trends. A regular media commentator and writer, including for the Quarterly Essay of March 2019, in which she explored how Australians are calling for change from our government in climate change and wider social issues, and the corruption of democracy. Rebecca is the author of numerous books, including 'How to Talk About Climate Change in a Way That Makes a Difference,' Still Lucky and The World According to Y. We discuss the changes that may come from the chaos of bushfires then COVID-19, some thinking around how Australia and Australians have responded well to a pandemic, and ponder 'are we still lucky?' We discuss fairness vs freedom and the likely shift in thinking towards Australia seeking a greater level of self-sufficiency moving forward, and the wider impact on our cultural values. Real People is a podcast hosted by Jason Dunstone, the founder and managing director of Square Holes. Subscribe to Real People on your favourite podcast player. Jason builds on his 25 years of conducting human-centred research, interviewing average and not so average people (rich, poor, old, young, content and vulnerable) to understand what they believe and how they behave. Check out the Real People website - http://squareholes.com/realpeople Connect with Jason Dunstone on Twitter @jasondunstone - https://twitter.com/jasondunstone?lang=en Send Jason an email - jason@squareholes.com Read more blogs from Jason Dunstone - https://squareholes.com/blog/author/jason/ Find out more about Square Holes - http://www.squareholes.com/ Produced with Apiro Media - https://www.apiropodcasts.com/