Check out our Subscription Service where we have a bundled our bonus material from both the Missing and Crawlspace shows! Ad-free episodes and more at https://missing.supportingcast.fm/ Use promo code, "Missing" for your first month FREE! Welcome to Crawlspace. In this episode, Tim Pilleri & Lance Reenstierna are joined by a true legend in the podcasting industry, Esther Ludlow! Esther is the host of Once Upon a Crime, a weekly true crime podcast that tells “the story behind the story” of real life crime. Told in a storytelling style, host Esther Ludlow digs into the details of each case to bring listeners the facts and information they won’t hear anywhere else. The conversation ranges from Esther's humble beginnings and how she applies her psychology background to each crime story she covers. On a lighter note, the discussion turns to Esther's special, "Bands Gone Wild" series. Axl Rose, Marvin Gaye, Jerry Lee Lewis & The Cure are all on the table. Enjoy! Check out everything Esther has going on at her great URL: https://www.truecrimepodcast.com/. Follow Esther on: Twitter: https://twitter.com/UponACrime Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/onceuponacrimepod/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ouacpod YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC17PL60EqRV7DcDdgLC3YTQ This episode is brought to you in part by our wonderful sponsors, Modern Fertility, Vessi, ButcherBox & Best Fiends. ButcherBox was started with the idea that everyone should have access to high-quality, humanely raised meat. Each month, they deliver 100% grass-fed beef, humanely raised pork, and free-range organic chicken straight to your door. Sign up today at butcherbox.com/CRAWLSPACE and use code CRAWLSPACE to get Free Ribeyes for a Year plus $10 off. Download your new favorite getaway, BEST FIENDS, for FREE today on the App Store or Google Play. Modern Fertility will help you find power in your fertility info and get proactive about your reproductive health. Get $30 off your fertility test when you go to https://modernfertility.com/Crawlspace30/ Vessi is a remarkable company that produces high quality, lightweight footwear and gloves that are 100% waterproof. We love them and you will too! Go to https://vessi.com/ and use code CRAWLSPACE for 15% off your entire order! Another true crime show we are sure you'll enjoy is our friends Justin & Aaron from The Generation Why Podcast! Follow them on Amazon Music or listen early and ad free on Apple Podcasts or the Wondery App. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod  Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast  Follow us on Instagram: https://www.Instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast The music for Crawlspace was produced by David Flajnik. Listen to his music here: https://www.pond5.com/artist/bigdsound  Check out our entire network at media.com/">http://crawlspace-media.com/ Join the Crawlspace Discussion Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/talkcrawlspace/ Crawlspace Media is part of the Glassbox Media Network. Check them out here: https://glassboxmedia.com/ Go to https://smile.amazon.com/ to connect your existing Amazon account to donate to Private Investigations For the Missing. Follow Private Investigations For the Missing https://investigationsforthemissing.org/ http://piftm.org/donate https://twitter.com/PIFortheMissing https://www.facebook.com/PIFortheMissing/ https://www.instagram.com/investigationsforthemissing/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices