Today we are joined by Tim Burrowes, co-founder of media and marketing publishing and event group Mumbrella. We sat down for a couple Cokes at the Chippo in Chippendale in Sydney to discuss Tim and Mumbrella's story. Tim shares his observations from a couple decades as a media and marketing journalist, commentator and observer in the UK, Middle East, Australia and across Asia. A fascinating chat about clever creative people, how the industry is changing and where it is still evolving too slow. We talk about marketing art vs science, good vs evil and much, much more. Real People is a podcast hosted by Jason Dunstone, the founder and managing director of Square Holes. Subscribe to Real People on your favourite podcast player. Jason builds on his 25 years of conducting human-centred research, interviewing average and not so average people (rich, poor, old, young, content and vulnerable) to understand what they believe and how they behave. Check out the Real People website - http://squareholes.com/realpeople Connect with Jason Dunstone on Twitter @jasondunstone - https://twitter.com/jasondunstone?lang=en Send Jason an email - jason@squareholes.com Read more blogs from Jason Dunstone - https://squareholes.com/blog/author/jason/ Find out more about Square Holes - http://www.squareholes.com/ Produced with Apiro Media - https://www.apiropodcasts.com/