Welcome to Crawlspace. In this episode Tim Pilleri & Lance Reenstierna were excited to speak with Bob Motta Jr. from the podcast, Defense Diaries. Bob enters the twisted mind of serial killer John Wayne Gacy through the use of 15 hours of never before heard pre-trial interviews with Gacy and his attorneys - including Bob's father Bob Motta Sr. as they prepare for the trial of the century. If you want to support what they are doing on the Defense Diaries, then join the team at www.patreon.com/DefenseDiaries. Check out Bob's website: https://www.defensediariespodcast.com/ Follow him on Twitter: https://twitter.com/defense_diaries Follow him on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/defensediariespodcast/ Follow him on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/defensediaries/ For ad-free (and more!) episodes, including this one, please check out our Crawlspace subscription service at https://crawlspace.supportingcast.fm/ Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod  Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast  Follow us on Instagram: https://www.Instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast The music for Crawlspace was produced by David Flajnik. Listen to his music here: https://www.pond5.com/artist/bigdsound  Check out our entire network at media.com/">http://crawlspace-media.com/ Crawlspace Media is part of the Glassbox Media Network. Check them out here: https://glassboxmedia.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices