Mark Driscoll isn’t the only one that should be speaking for the once flourishing church community Mars Hill in Seattle, Washington. So let’s start with Jen Smidt, who alongside her husband invested their time, energy, and hearts into former Mars Hill Church, once led by Pastor Mark Driscoll. They actually brought the first Mars Hill baby into the world and maintained significant roles in curriculum writing, counseling, general Mars Hill media and were in high levels of leadership. Jen tells the story of rich community they found and helped establish at Mars Hill, her and her husband’s relationship and interactions with the Driscoll family, and the eventual heartbreak and unhealthy manner of it all ending. Toby, Joey and Matt reflect a bit on how jacked up and hypocritical church structures are, but you don’t want to miss the laughs, tears, and stories told in this episode.