Have you ever felt like you're standing in two worlds simultaneously? We're not referring to science fiction, we're talking about holding two of the three roles in the adoption triad. In this week's episode, Melissa interviews Lisa about being a birth/first mom and an adoptive mom. Lisa talks about her experience of losing her first son to adoption, grief and loss, bitterness, healing and restoration, and how she became the most unlikely adoptive mom. There's lots of vulnerability in this interview, and quite a few tears (we had to stop recording at least once). It's tender and personal, please listen with care. Links Relevant to this episode: #6: Helping Kids Process Scary Events with Robyn Gobbel #9:  Are Newborn Adoptions Easier? (with Rebecca Vahle) where she talks about the wedding and funeral in the same room LISA: ON FOLLOWING GOD INTO THE HARD + UNEXPECTED ADOPTION + RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT CENTERS (Lisa's interview on Jamie Finn's podcast, The Real Mom Podcast)