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avid Holmgren joins me to talk about his work on revising his now-classic text, Permaculture: Principles and Pathways Beyond Sustainability. His focus in doing so was to give the book greater clarity, to make it more accessible, and a little easier for a novice to approach. Starting in that space, we also talk about the evolution of Permaculture principles in general, whether we should talk about resilience as a principle or system characteristic, before moving on to talk about the security that comes from growing our own food.

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