Jeremy is joined by fellow podcaster Ed Bloomer for the first of a special series of podcasts exploring films outside the normal remit, the first of which being Richard Williams' unfinished animated epic The Thief and the Cobbler. Their discussion takes in such topics as the importance of pre-planning, the dangers of self-indulgence, Britain's tallest man and half an argument about Kylie Minogue.

Ed is the host and creator of And What Do You Do?, a podcast interviewing people in a range of professions. Listen at https://www.andwhatdoyoudo.co.uk/