“We’re all different and that’s part of human nature, to celebrate those differences.” -Sarah Dennis

Calling in, rather than calling out…

In this episode, I had the privilege to discuss the history and the current reality of racism in our society as well as the potential for change from the inside out (and the outside in) with educator Sarah Dennis and artist & activist Ashley Lana Scott.

Sarah and Ashley had never met before so this was a truly candid conversation about what it takes to be an ally, how to support one another in looking inward at our internalized racism (regardless of skin color), and why these sometimes uncomfortable conversations are crucial to the cultural dialogue. (BTW, that’s the difference between calling in and calling out…  IN is initiating a conversation, OUT is pointing a finger in an accusatory way.)

Of course we talk about impostor syndrome and feeling like a total fraud when trying to have said difficult conversations, too!

This is a conversation that is humorous, sensitive, hopeful and deeply thought-provoking.

So take a deep breath, relax your mind open, have a listen, and let me know what you think over in the Facebook Group…

And if you haven’t already, check out Episode 045: Talking to strangers, where you’ll hear how I met Julie and why I’m taking on a theme on the show that pushes me out of my comfort zone. Also, Episode 046 with Andrea Ranae Johnson on how to use your power and privilege for good.