On this episode, Dr. Robin Stern interviews Michelle McQuaid, founder of The Wellbeing Lab, "a benefit-led organization...passionate about energizing and equipping people to care for their wellbeing even when they’re struggling so we can help you to build thriving teams, workplaces, schools, and communities." 

Michelle explains that harassment is the #3 reason people burn out at work, and gaslighting plays a part in that!

As a way to battle this burnout, Michelle discusses the importance of the 4 Factors For Leaders - Compassion with boundaries; Appreciation; Responsibility; and Emotional Wisdom. 

She also recommends periodic safety checks within any organization by asking: What's working well? Where are our people struggling? What are we learning from the first two questions? And what do we want to do about that? 

Michelle and Robin dive deep into the ways in which organizations of any size can tackle harassment and gaslighting by "asking instead of mind reading," and not getting stuck on the "hump of politeness" (in other words - not "biting your tongue".) 

Michelle also recommends "no groaning and moaning."  Rather "dare and share!" And no pointing of fingers.  Judgement is bad.  Curiosity is good. 

If you're looking for amazing insight into how organizations can thrive in any environment, then this epiosde is a must listen!

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